Suggestion for a mini-hydro electric generator built from reclaimed materials?

topic posted Sun, May 25, 2008 - 12:46 AM by  outrunner
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Scale: large enough to produce 5 watts.

Magnets: yeah, I'll be buying them new.

Bearings: what can I use, that is mechanically efficient, and corrosion resistant? What kind of junked device can I source 'em from?

Turbine: what is the most functional part, or even re-fabricated form, that I can use?

It's for a creek driven LED chandaleer, for a kitchen at a site that is used for gatherings that ideally have a low environmental impact. If it can be built using primarily reclaimed materials, it will be an incredible reference point for group conciousness processing of dealing with larger scale ecological issues.

Any thoughts?
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  • Does that 5watts include transmission losses?

    Start scounging old motors. You want ones that ones the include a permanent magnet in them, preferrably in the rotor(centre). these could be anything from simple DC motors to stepper motors(6 wires).

    Given the small amount of power you want, it is probably easiest to attach a paddle wheel to the motor shaft and dangle the paddle wheel in the current, then run the heaviest wires that you can back to the light.

    If this is going to be a permanent installation, then consider building a more robust floating paddle wheel. Initially something like an old bicycle wheel with paddles attached mounted on two pontoons, or just stake an old bicyle frame in the stream to hold the pabble wheel(paddle size constraints) . If it was a rear hub, then you could use a chain drive, or depending on how you attach the paddles, perhaps a belt drive using some of the modern, very long fan belts (wreck or road side), or even a strip cut from an inner tube.

    My guess is that you are going to need to do a lot of fiddling to get useful output, aka, you will want to build the most powerful paddlewheel you can so you can gear up the "generator"

    Once you have that built, your biggest problem is going to be transmission losses from the creek back to the kitchen. So much so, that I suggest you look at using a couple of car batteries creek side. charge one for 24hours, whilst the other one provides power for the light, which I assume is only running of an evening..

    • Just to be clear, it is not a stream, it is a creek.

      A pretty small one.

      The design specs that I'm having to work with involve the pressure coming from a gravity driven faucet, the same as the one that is used for the open kitchen.

      Not a lot of flow, est. 60 PSI, tops.

      Currently I'm hunting for old skateboard trucks, as they have the right bearings, and are easy to adapt.

      Thanks for the input, with a bit of luck next summer I'll be building a larger model.
      • If you have a fawcet/faucet type feed, then I'd suggest paddles(cups) on a bicycle wheel style driving a PM motor at a higher speed, for the voltage.

        If you are not worried about water going everywhere, the falling water could just hit the paddles and splatter into a pond as a sort of waterfall/feature.

        If you are worried about water everywhere, they attach large cups to catch the water that falls into them as they fall/rotate and then allow it to empty into a trough/trench to run away.

        In my experience, skate board bearings are not that free running (small size), where as you can easily adjust bicycle wheel bearings so that slight in balance will rotate the wheel.

        Then Driving force = mass of water in cup x gravity x height of fall, etc.
    • I'm not an expert with this, but I did hear Doug Bullock describing this at one of his workshops. Apparently you can charge batteries with any level of flow.. the power output is proportional to how fast it turns. Maybe there's a paddle wheel supplier out there.. seems a good paddle wheel would be a critical element. If you pursue this please post how things are going.

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